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Editorial
The rights of minority children in Irish schools
Atheist Ireland, the Evangelical Alliance of Ireland, and the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community of Ireland, have published our joint submission to the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child. The Committee will soon be questioning Ireland about its human rights record under this treaty.Also this week, the Northern Ireland High Court has found that schools breached the human rights of nonreligious parents. The state Religious Education course and the Collective Worship in schools breached the parents’ right to respect for their convictions and also their right to freedom of conscience, religion and belief.
This case is relevant to nonreligious parents in the Republic of Ireland. Under the Good Friday Agreement, the Irish State has agreed to strengthen the protection of human rights in the Republic to at least an equivalent level of protection of human rights as will pertain in Northern Ireland.
Our three groups have told the UN that we want the Irish State to establish secular schools, and to ensure that every child has the right to access a local publicly funded school, without religious discrimination or being threatened with refusal of access if they don’t uphold the school’s ethos.
Once the Dail returns, Atheist Ireland will also continue to lobby on our case that the Department of Education is misusing public funds by giving money to schools that do not respect the constitutional funding condition of ensuring that children can choose to not attend religious instruction classes.
You can help us to continue this and other secular work by joining Atheist Ireland as a member, or by asking anybody who you think may be interested in joining us to do so. We are an entirely voluntary body with no paid staff, and we depend on our members to continue our work. You can join Atheist Ireland here.
– Secular Sunday Editorial Team
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Éire Aindiach
Éire Aindiach
Chun ár gcuid feachtais a leathnú agus a neartú, tá sé beartaithe ag Éire Aindiach níos mó úsáid a bhaint as an Ghaeilge.
Ba mhaith linn meitheal a eagrú, chun cuidiú le:
- Polasaithe agus feachtais Éire Aindiach a phlé ar an raidió nó ar an teilifís
- Cuidiú le doiciméid ghaeilge a scríobh
- Bualadh le polaiteoirí chun stocaireacht a dhéanamh
Táimid i mbun aistriúcháin a dhéanamh ar dhoiciméid polasaí faoi láthair, agus teastaíonn cabhair uainn le aistriúchán agus profáil. Más maith leat bheith páirteach san iarracht seo, cur ríomhphost chugainn ag gaeilge@atheist.ie.
English translation:
To broaden and strengthen our campaigns, Atheist Ireland have undertaken to make more use of the Irish language.
We are looking to assemble a group of volunteers, to help with:
- Discussing our policies and campaigns on radio or tv
- Helping to write documents in Irish
- Meeting with politicians to lobby them
We are in the process of translating policy documents at the moment, and we need some help with translating and proofreading. If you would like to assist with this effort, please email us at gaeilge@atheist.ie.
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Atheist Ireland News
Protecting the rights of children from religious discrimination in Irish schools
The United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child will be questioning Ireland next year. Atheist Ireland, the Evangelical Alliance of Ireland, and the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community of Ireland, have made this joint submission to the UN on freedom of religion and belief in Irish schools.
Our Recommendations
The State should commit to ensuring that every child has the right to access a local publicly funded school without religious discrimination or being threatened with refusal of access if they don’t uphold the schools ethos.
The State should ensure that schools and patron bodies comply with Section 62(7)(n) of the Education (Admissions to schools) Act 2018 by actually writing the details of the arrangements into their admission policies, and not by saying parents have to meet with the school principal.
The State should commit to establishing secular or non-denominational schools at primary and second level, and not merely multi-denominational schools.
The State should legally and clearly define the terms denominational, multi-denominational, interdenominational, and non-denominational, as per the Irish Human Rights & Equality Commission Report ‘Religion & Education; A human Rights Perspective’.
The State should provide statutory guidelines to ensure that publicly funded schools:
- Respect and vindicate the positive rights of minorities to freedom of conscience and respect for their religious or nonreligious philosophical convictions.
- Respect and vindicate the right of children who exercise their constitutional right to not attend religious instruction, and provide such children with supervision or an alternative curriculum subject.
The State should provide a neutral studying environment, outside the confines of religious instruction classes that students can choose to not attend.
Contents of our joint submission
Part 1 — Overview
1.1 Who we are
1.2 Our recommendations
Part 2 — C. Civil rights and freedoms (arts. 7, 8 and 13–17)
2.1 From the List of Issues
2.2 Response of the State party
2.3 Our comments on the State Response
2.4 The right to not attend religious instruction in schools
2.5 Types of Religion and ethical classes in schools
2.6 What happens to students who do manage to not participate in religion classes
2.7 Religious ethos and academic subjects
2.8 The Framework for the Primary School Curriculum
2.9 What does all of this mean?
2.10 UN Human Rights Committee
Part 3 — G. Basic health and welfare (arts. 6, 18 (3), 24, 26, 27 (1)–(3) and 33)
3.1 From the List of Issues
3.2 Response of State Party
3.3 Our comments on the State Response
Part 4 — H. Education, leisure and cultural activities (arts. 28–31)
4.1 From the List of Issues
4.2 Response of State Party
4.3 Our comments on the State Response to paragraph 27(b)
4.4 Our comments on the State Response to paragraph 27(c)
Part 1 — Overview
Who we are
Atheist Ireland, the Evangelical Alliance of Ireland, and the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community of Ireland work together in a campaign for secularism and human rights. Despite our different world views, we agree that each person should be treated with respect, our right to hold our beliefs should be treated with respect, and States should treat us all equally before the law by remaining neutral between religious and nonreligious philosophical convictions.
As part of our work:
- We promote the fundamental human rights of freedom of conscience, religion and belief, equality before the law, and freedom from discrimination for all citizens.
- We promote these human rights within Irish society and political institutions, and at the United Nations and other international human rights regulatory bodies.
In support of these aims, we are making this Submission to outline the failure of Ireland to protect and respect the human rights of Atheists and secularists, Ahmadiyya Muslim and Evangelical Christians, and all minorities in the Irish education system. Our children are discriminated against on the grounds of religion and their rights under the Convention are not protected.
As you would expect, our groups can have different policies beyond the scope of this submission. For example, Atheist Ireland believes that state-funded schools with a religious ethos should provide arrangements for children whose parents do not want them to attend religious instruction, while the Evangelical Alliance of Ireland believes that religious schools should not have to make such arrangements if parents have the choice of an alternative school in their area that has a secular ethos.
However, this submission focuses on the areas on which our groups agree, regarding the rights of children, in accordance with the provisions of the Convention and the situation on the ground in Ireland. In practice, there are no secular schools in Ireland, so the question of alternatives to religious schools does not arise. What we are collectively trying to achieve in Ireland is that every child has the right to access a local publicly funded school without religious discrimination or being threatened with refusal of access if they don’t uphold the schools ethos. Read more…
Court case supports rights of parents and students in schools in the Republic
The Northern Ireland High Court has found that schools breached the human rights of nonreligious parents. The state Religious Education course and the Collective Worship in schools breached the parents’ right to respect for their convictions and also their right to freedom of conscience, religion and belief.
The case was an application for judicial review by a child, JR87, and her father, G, in respect of the teaching arrangements for Religious Education and Collective worship in controlled primary schools in Northern Ireland.
This case is relevant to nonreligious parents in the Republic of Ireland. Under the Good Friday Agreement, the Irish State has agreed to strengthen the protection of human rights and strengthen and underpin the constitutional protection of human rights in the Republic. The measures brought forward must ensure at least an equivalent level of protection of human rights as will pertain in Northern Ireland.
In essence nonreligious parents in the Republic should have the same rights as nonreligious parents in Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland High Court recognised or found that:
- Secularism and atheism are philosophical convictions protected by Article 9 of the European Convention.
- The Religious Education course in Northern Ireland schools was not objective, critical and pluralistic and did not respect non religious parents’ convictions.
- The concerns raised by the parents in relation to their child being excluded were valid.
- There was a right to be excluded from the Religion course, but this was not a sufficient answer to the lack of pluralism that the court identified.
- There was a danger that parents will be deterred from seeking exclusion for a children and that it also funds the risk of stigmatisation of their children.
This is what Irish parents have to put up with in publicly funded schools in the Republic. The religion courses in schools are not objective, critical and pluralistic. Even the State Religious Education course at second level is not objective. We do not want to opt our children out we want to opt them in to an education that is objective, critical and pluralistic and protects the Constitutional and Human rights of all.
The parents in the Northern Ireland case stated the following to the Court:
“24. I appreciate that we could have sought to exclude (JR87) from collective worship and religious education/activities in school. I believe that (JR87) should not have to be excluded from any aspect of her education/school life, simply because the law mandates exclusive Christian worship and RE in her school. In my view, that legal settlement is wrong and is contrary to my rights and (JR87’s) rights under the European Convention. Religion should be taught to children in a way that is objective, critical and pluralistic. Children should be able to consider and explore the teaching and practices of a wide variety of religious and nonreligious traditions and philosophies.
I believe that (JR87) should be taught and have experience of as many different religions and philosophies as possible during her primary education. Exclusion is not the answer and does not respect my belief (shared by my wife) that religious education and experiences should be provided to our daughter in a way that is objective, critical and pluralistic and which should include teaching/experience of nonreligious world views as well. The current system purports to “respect” those beliefs by saying that our child can be excluded from an aspect of her education. Having to consider even exclusion is just a particularly clear manifestation of the problem with the current legal settlement.
25. Furthermore, as noted above, if (JR87) were to be excluded then she would be the only child in the school to be so excluded. This would undoubtedly have the effect of singling (JR87) out from her peers. I would be concerned that (JR87) might be bullied or isolated as a result. There is also a risk that (JR87) herself might be confused or upset about this and may feel that she was being punished by such an exclusion. In addition, in a small school community such an exclusion will also be unlikely to go unnoticed by school staff and other parents, via their children.
Thus, exclusion would likely have the result of repeatedly ‘outing’ our family (school year by school year) as a nonChristian family to the wider school community. Again, this is not something that we would wish or feel comfortable with.
Exclusion is characterised by the school and Department, as, in essence a voluntary choice open to parents as of right. There would be nothing voluntary about it in our case. I do not accept that if (JR87) were to be excluded that this would represent a truly voluntary parental choice. I say that because (JR87) would only be excluded because the religious education and experiences provided by the school do not comply with her human rights under the European Convention.”
Since the Good Friday Agreement, various governments in the Republic have failed to put in place comparable steps to protect Constitutional and Human Rights of non religious parents in the education system. This is despite the fact that the Courts in the Republic have found that Irish parents have more rights under the Irish Constitution than they do under human rights law.
The Court in Northern Ireland found that:
The court considers that the concerns raised by the parents in relation to exclusion are valid. Whilst an unfettered right to exclusion is available it is not a sufficient answer to the lack of pluralism identified by the court. It runs the risk of placing undue burdens on parents. There is a danger that parents will be deterred from seeking exclusion for a child. Importantly, it also runs the risk of stigmatisation of their children. As Warby J said “the need to withdraw a child would be a manifestation of the lack of pluralism in question.”
[123] The court therefore concludes that the impugned legislation is in breach of both applicants’ rights under Article 2 of the First Protocol ECHR read with Article 9 ECHR. I say both applicants because whilst the case has been considered primarily through the prism of the rights of the parents, it seems to the court that it is arguable when the first sentence of A2P1 is read with Article 9, JR87’s right to education must be in a form which respects her rights to believe or not to believe.”
This Northern Ireland case vindicates what Atheist Ireland has been saying for years. Our education system breaches the rights of minority parents and we simply do not accept the contention that schools are inclusive and promote pluralism. Instead, they undermine it. Read more…
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Calling concerned teachers
If you are a teacher and concerned about unwanted religious influence contact Chris at teachers@atheist.ie
List of Atheist Ireland Submissions
Buy this book “Is My Family Odd About Gods?”
**Schools Special Offer**
Atheist Ireland are offering the book ‘Is my family odd about gods‘ free (excluding postage and packaging). This means that you can get this book for the total price of 10 euro. This offer is aimed at families with school going children, who would like to read this book. This offer is limited to one book per family unit and for postage within Ireland only. Read more…
Have you noticed that your school and your teachers may tell you one thing about religion, while some of your friends and family may have different ideas about god?
If you think that this is a little odd, then this book is for you. Buy this book here.
Lessons about Atheism
Atheist Ireland has published a set of free lesson plans about atheism for children aged 8 and up. We welcome feedback, which we will use to develop the lessons. You can download the lesson plans
Be Good without Gods
Atheist Ireland ‘Good Without Gods’ Kiva team members have made loans of $37,375 to 1304 entrepreneurs in the developing world. You can join the team here. Before you chose a loan, make sure you do not support religious groups. You can check the loan partner’s social and secular rating here.
Notme.ie
Atheist Ireland’s ‘notme.ie‘ is a place where people can publicly renounce the religion of their childhood. Currently there are 1940 symbolic defections. Many share their reasons for making a public symbolic defection which you can read here.
Petition on Schools Equality PACT
Atheist Ireland currently runs one petition – The Schools Equality PACT. This seeks to reform religious discrimination in state-funded schools. Currently this stands at 4,113 Help us reach it’s target of 5000. Please sign and share this petition if you haven’t already done so. Thank you.
Tell us what you think
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Please consider joining or re-joining Atheist Ireland
Atheist Ireland is an entirely volunteer run organisation. We receive no grants or government funding to continue our campaign work. We rely entirely on membership fess and donations.
Annual membership is nominal; €25 waged, €10 unwaged/student and €40 for family membership. Please consider becoming a member. Membership means:
- You can help to build an ethical and secular Ireland.
- You have a say in determining policy and electing officers.
- You can attend members meetings and our AGM.
- You will have access to our members only Facebook group
- Your membership fee will go towards supporting our many campaigns.
You can join Atheist Ireland here.
Thank you for your continued support
Atheist Ireland Committee
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Events
Please consider making a submission to the Seanad Public Consultation Committee. This committee is currently inviting submissions on the Constitutional Future of the Island of Ireland. Deadline is the 5th of September.
There are 5 steps to a secular Ireland
- Secular Constitution
- Secular Education
- Secular Lawmaking
- Secular Government
- Secular Courts
Read more…
You can read the details here and send your submission to the following email address seanadpublicconsult@oireachtas.ie.
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Opinion and Media
Material on atheism, secularism, human rights,politics,science etc. collected from media and the blogosphere from Ireland and beyond; used without permission, compensation, liability, guarantee or implied endorsement. We aim to include a variety of diverse opinions and viewpoints.
Blogs & Opinions
National
Clonliffe has gone and the Irish Catholic Church may not be far behind it
By Gerard Howlin
Our Lady of the kitchen pray for us! That invocation was the add-on to the Angelus at noon, led in lore by Sr Bernadette, at Holy Cross College, Clonliffe. A woman fondly remembered by one venerable cleric as direct in speech, strong in character and possessed of a clear Cavan accent, she managed the kitchens. Angelus was first and then lunch. Read more…
Gabriel Byrne: ‘Thank god the darkness of Church rule is over’
By Stephen McGinty
You have to love Gabriel Byrne’s parents. When the actor enjoyed early success in the British thriller Defence of the Realm, he gave a talk after a screening at the Galway Film Festival. The audience was invited to ask questions. To his horror, the first hand raised belonged to his mum. “Tell them about the time you got diarrhoea on your First Communion. O Lord, that’s a good story.” Read more…
International
Taliban add more compulsory religion classes to Afghan universities
By RTE News Online
Afghan university students will have to attend more compulsory Islamic studies classes, education officials said today while giving little sign that secondary schools for girls would reopen. Read more…
Was our football coach right to call for prayer during a big game?
By Jay Mathews
The latest U.S. Supreme Court decision on school prayer takes me back to a crisp fall afternoon in 1961. I was in the stands with my friends nervously watching our Hillsdale High School football team of San Mateo, Calif., on the edge of defeat in the championship game against famously tough Capuchino High School of San Bruno. Read more…
The silencing of Salman Rushdie must not succeed
By Stephen Evans
The best way to show solidarity with Salman Rushdie is by making sure his voice continues to be heard, says Stephen Evans. The attack on Salman Rushdie on Friday was another in a long line of attacks on the very bedrock of liberal democracy: free expression. Read more…
NHS job for reiki healer ‘encourages quack science’
By Eleanor Hayward
An NHS hospital has been criticised for “endorsing quackery” by trying to recruit a spiritual healer to treat cancer patients. Manchester University NHS Foundation Trust has posted a job vacancy for a “spiritual healer/reiki therapist” on a salary of £23,949 to £26,282 a year, funded by a charity. Read more…
New York reproductive care eroding amid Catholic-secular hospital mergers
By Rachel Silberstein
For the last few years, New York leaders have worked to solidify abortion protections – and fast-tracked such measures this year after a draft decision was leaked that correctly predicted the U.S. Supreme Court would overturn Roe v. Wade. Read more…
The infidels will not be silenced. Like Salman Rushdie, I choose freedom
By Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Thirty-three years ago, when I was a teenager in Nairobi, I was a book burner. The year was 1989, the year of the fatwa against Salman Rushdie, and I was seduced by the rising tide of Islamism. I greeted the fatwa with glee.I rarely burnt actual books: we were too poor to afford a copy of The Satanic Verses. Instead, we wrote the title of the offending novel and the name of its author on cardboard and paper and set them alight. Read more…
Atheists win $16,000 settlement against Arkansas State Sen. Jason Rapert
By Hemant Mehta
The state of Arkansas is $16,000 poorer today after State Senator Jason Rapert agreed to a settlement in his legal battle to avoid online criticism from atheists. After the state pays the atheists’ court costs, Rapert will have to unblock certain atheist constituents on Twitter and provide “written documentation showing possible wrongdoing” if he wants to block them in the future Read more…
Maldives: Concerns for safety of social media activist following conviction
By Humanists International
Humanists International is deeply concerned for Maldivian human rights defender Mohamed Rusthum Russo following his conviction for criticizing Islam and possession of obscene material on 14 August. Rusthum was handed down a four-month prison term, but will not be required to serve the time owing to the amount of time he was held in detention in relation to the case. Read more…
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