Secular Sunday #545 – The right to not attend religious instruction

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Editorial

The right to not attend religious instruction

 

Article 44.2.4 the Constitution protects the right of any child to attend a school receiving public money without attending religious instruction at that school.
The words “without attending” mean the right to physically leave the classroom, and because it is in a funding article it means that such children must be supervised or given an alternative subject.
However, a recent Dail question from Richard Bruton TD and reply from Minister for Education Norma Foley blur this distinct meaning by using phrases such as “participating in” and “opting out” of religious instruction classes.
These ambiguous phrases have no basis in law, and in practice they allow schools to make children sit at the back of the religion class.
The Minister also states that the manner in which any school ensures that this right is upheld is a matter for the school concerned. This is contrary to the recent Supreme Court judgment in the Burke case.
That judgment states that the Department has a duty to ensure that policy is turned into an administrative scheme that abides by the Constitution, and that the result should be the same, whether it is administrator A or administrator B who has taken the decision.
Atheist Ireland continues to lobby to vindicate the Constitutional right of any child to attend a school receiving public money without attending religious instruction at that school.
As always, you can help Atheist Ireland to continue our work by joining Atheist Ireland as a member, or by asking anybody who you think may be interested in joining us to do so. We are an entirely voluntary body with no paid staff, and we depend on our members to continue our work.You can join Atheist Ireland here.

– Secular Sunday Editorial Team

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Ba mhaith linn meitheal a eagrú, chun cuidiú le:
  • Polasaithe agus feachtais Éire Aindiach a phlé ar an raidió nó ar an teilifís
  • Cuidiú le doiciméid ghaeilge a scríobh
  • Bualadh le polaiteoirí chun stocaireacht a dhéanamh
Táimid i mbun aistriúcháin a dhéanamh ar dhoiciméid polasaí faoi láthair, agus teastaíonn cabhair uainn le aistriúchán agus profáil.  Más maith leat bheith páirteach san iarracht seo, cur ríomhphost chugainn ag gaeilge@atheist.ie.

English translation:

To broaden and strengthen our campaigns, Atheist Ireland have undertaken to make more use of the Irish language.
We are looking to assemble a group of volunteers, to help with:

  • Discussing our policies and campaigns on radio or tv
  • Helping to write documents in Irish
  • Meeting with politicians to lobby them
We are in the process of translating policy documents at the moment, and we need some help with translating and proofreading.  If you would like to assist with this effort, please email us at gaeilge@atheist.ie.

Atheist Ireland News

Minister for Education gives misleading Dail answer about the right to not attend religious instruction

When protecting the right of children to not attend religious instruction in schools receiving public money, it is important to use the language in the Constitution.

In particular, the right to “not attend” must not be conflated with “opting out” or “not participating”. These ambiguous phrases have no basis in law, and in practice they allow schools to make children sit at the back of the religion class.
And the Department of Education has a duty to ensure that policy is turned into an administrative scheme that abides by the Constitution, and that, in any given situation, the result should be the same, whether it is administrator A or administrator B who has taken the decision.
However, on 25 May the Minister for Education Norma Foley gave a written reply in the Dail to Richard Bruton TD about this issue. Both the question and the answer use phrases that are different from the right expressed in Article 44.2.4 the Constitution, which is:

“Legislation providing State aid for schools shall not… be such as to affect prejudicially the right of any child to attend a school receiving public money without attending religious instruction at that school.”

The question uses the following phrase:
  • “do not wish to participate in” instead of “not attend”
The Minister’s reply uses the following phrases:
  • “have their children opt out” instead of “not attend”
  • “the right to opt of religion classes” instead of “not attend”
To add to the confusion, the Minister also uses the phrase “without attending” when quoting from Section 30 of the Education Act. She also refers interchangeably to “religious instruction classes”, “religious instruction in the school”, and “religion classes.”
She also states that the manner in which any school ensures that the right to opt out of religion classes is upheld is a matter for the school concerned. This is contrary to the recent Supreme Court judgment in the Burke case, which states that:

“Policy… must be turned into an administrative scheme… Any such a scheme must abide by the Constitution. That is the over- arching jurisdiction under which every organ of the State must act.”
“It is of the essence of good administration that the principle must be fairly clear and precise so that, in any given situation, the result should be the same, whether it is administrator A or administrator B who has taken the decision.”


The right to not attend religious instruction is written into the Constitution. It is not a matter for each school concerned because it is the Condtitutional duty of the Minister and also a condition of state funding.
Here is the question from Richard Bruton TD

“To ask the Minister for Education and Skills if her Department has undertaken a review of the manner in which schools with religious patrons have delivered on the obligations to children for whom it has been indicated that they do not wish to participate in religious arrangements; and if she is considering issuing guidelines on the matter.”

Here is the response from the Minister for Education Norma Foley

“Under Article 44 of the Constitution and in accordance with Section 30 of the Education Act, 1998, parents have a right to have their children opt out of religious instruction classes if they so wish. It is expected that this right will be upheld by schools on foot of a parental request.
Under the provisions of the Education (Admission to Schools) Act 2018, where schools provide religious instruction, they must clearly set out in their admission policies the school’s arrangements for students, where the parent or in the case of a student who has reached the age of 18 years, the student, has requested that the student attend the school without attending religious instruction in the school.
The manner in which any school ensures that the right to opt out of religion classes is upheld is a matter for the school concerned. Each individual school must determine the particular arrangements which are most appropriate in its individual circumstances having regard to local issues such as available space, supervision requirements and how the school concerned organises classes etc.
The right of parents to have their child opt out of religion classes applies in all schools regardless of the denomination or ethos of the school concerned.”

Atheist Ireland continues to lobby to vindicate the Constitutional right of any child to attend a school receiving public money without attending religious instruction at that school. This includes highlighting when the Minister for Education uses language that is imprecise or contrary to Supreme Court judgments. Read online…

 

Other news

Atheist Ireland was mentioned in the US Department of State 2021 Report on International Religious Freedom: Ireland published on Thursday.


Calling concerned teachers

If you are a teacher and concerned about unwanted religious influence contact Chris at teachers@atheist.ie

List of Atheist Ireland Submissions


Buy this book “Is My Family Odd About Gods?”

**Schools Special Offer**
Atheist Ireland are offering the book ‘Is my family odd about godsfree (excluding postage and packaging).  This means that you can get this book for the total price of 10 euro. This offer is aimed at families with school going children, who would like to read this book. This offer is limited to one book per family unit and for postage within Ireland only. Read more…
Have you noticed that your school and your teachers may tell you one thing about religion, while some of your friends and family may have different ideas about god?
If you think that this is a little odd, then this book is for you. Buy this book here.

Lessons about Atheism

Atheist Ireland has published a set of free lesson plans about atheism for children aged 8 and up. We welcome feedback, which we will use to develop the lessons. You can download the lesson plans

Be Good without Gods

Atheist Ireland ‘Good Without Gods’ Kiva team members have made loans of  $36,675 to 1281 entrepreneurs in the developing world. You can join the team here. Before you chose a loan, make sure you do not support religious groups. You can check the loan partner’s social and secular rating here.

Notme.ie

Atheist Ireland’s ‘notme.ie‘ is a place where people can publicly renounce the religion of their childhood. Currently there are 1923 symbolic defections. Many share their reasons for making a public symbolic defection which you can read here

Petition on Schools Equality PACT 

Atheist Ireland currently runs one petition – The Schools Equality PACT. This seeks to reform religious discrimination in state-funded schools. Currently this stands at 4,111 Help us reach it’s target of 5000. Please sign and share this petition if you haven’t already done so. Thank you.

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Opinion and Media

Material on atheism, secularism, human rights,politics,science etc. collected from media and the blogosphere from Ireland and beyond; used without permission, compensation, liability, guarantee or implied endorsement. We aim to include a variety of diverse opinions and viewpoints.

 

Blogs & Opinions

 

National

 

Catholic Church’s billion-euro land sale is just getting started

 

By Arthur Beesley

 

In a recent submission to Fingal County Council in Dublin, planning consultants acting for the Vincentian religious order asked for two plots of land at Castleknock College to be rezoned for housing. Read more…

International

 

Encouraging evangelism in public services will promote division, not divinity

 

By Megan Manson

 

A survey reveals members of the public generally get along well with Christians – but feel less enthusiastic about proselytism. Megan Manson says this should be a warning to politicians who want faith groups to be free to preach when delivering public services. Read more…

Atheists in Pakistan fearful as crackdowns on digital blasphemy continue

 

By ANI

 

Islamabad [Pakistan], May 23 (ANI): Blasphemy arrests and mob violence continue to escalate in Pakistan as blasphemy laws are leading to the erasure of atheist identities. Pakistan is among one of 32 Muslim-majority countries that imposes harsh penaltiesfor blasphemy, apostasy, or atheism, and one of 12 that punishes these “crimes” with death. Read more…

Should we prefer secular polling places to churches?

 

By AHSPlus

 

The practical benefits of churches as polling places needs to be weighed against the potential impacts on priming and exclusion when considering their suitability, and this balance may shift in an increasingly irreligious society. Democracy is an important humanist value. I vote in person – despite knowing my political party would prefer a postal vote – because of the value placed in this secular ritual. Read more…

Minister warns of atheist ideology after Polish scouts allowed not to mention God in oath

 

By Daniel Tilles

 

The Polish Scouting Association’s (ZHP) recent decision to allow recruits to omit the word “God” from their oath has drawn criticism from Catholic clergy and a minister in Poland’s national-conservative government, who warns that “attempts are being made to implement atheist ideology”. Read more…

Trial of Mubarak Bala: Tolerant Pluralism And Imperative Of Islamic Reformation In Northern Nigeria

 

By Leo Igwe

 

The conviction of Nigerian Humanist, Mubarak Bala, after a judicial process marked by irregularities jolted the civilized world. People of conscience had hoped that human rights would prevail; that after some dark nights of denial and disappearance, some light would shine at the end of the tunnel untwisting extremist imaginaries that had viciously beclouded and gripped the minds of Islamic theocrats in the region. Incidentally, this hope was misplaced and terribly dashed. Read more…

Scottish schools: Compulsory religious worship is a breach of the basic human right to ‘freedom of belief’

 

By Fraser Sutherland

 

Currently the law in Scotland means that all primary and secondary schools must hold regular acts of religious observance “sufficiently frequently to have an impact on the spiritual development of the school community”. Often religious observance takes the form of an assembly or other whole-school event, and will usually be Christian in tone in recognition of Scotland’s “long-standing Christian tradition”. Read more…

 

Over 70 pct of Turks want to live in democratic, secular country – survey

 

By Ahval reporter

 

More than 70 percent of Turkey’s population say they wish to live in a democratic and secular country, according to an opinion survey by leading Turkish polling company MetroPOLL. A total of 72.9 percent of respondents said they wanted to live in a “secular-democratic’’ country, while 18.5 percent expressed desire for a “conservative-authoritarian” nation when asked “What kind of a country would you like to live in? Read online…

 

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International

The sad corruption of Atheist Alliance International in recent years is described in this comprehensive pamphlet by John Hamill of the Free Thought Prophet podcast

This is a wonderful TED Talk – The big history of our world in 18 minutes by David Christian

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Freethought Radio – African American Freethinkers
The Friendly Atheist Podcast –
Richard Dawkins and the Atheist “Schism”

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